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Frank Pavone

Host: Dr. James Dobson

December 13, 2023

In November 2022, Frank Pavone was notified by the Vatican that he was “defrocked” and officially removed from the priesthood. As a result, he could no longer be referred to as “Father,” or publicly celebrate Mass in Catholic churches. On today’s edition of Family Talk, Dr. James Dobson and Pavone discuss the implications of his removal, and why he now has a renewed interest and commitment to fight for the sanctity of life. 1 Corinthians 15:58 says, “Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.”

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Frank Pavone

Frank Pavone was ordained as a Roman Catholic priest in 1988 by Cardinal John O’Connor, and served until November 6, 2022 when he was dismissed from the priesthood. He serves as the national director of Priests for Life. He also serves as president of the National Pro-life Religious Council, and as the national pastoral director of the Silent No More Awareness Campaign and of Rachel’s Vineyard, the world’s largest ministry of healing after abortion. Frank previously served on the pro-life and Catholic advisory boards of both of President Trump’s election campaigns, and he currently serves on former President Trump’s National Faith Advisory Board. Frank is the author of four books, Ending Abortion: Not Just Fighting It, Pro-life Reflections for Every Day, Abolishing Abortion, and Proclaiming the Message of Life. He resides in Florida.

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